Orvis Zg Helios 905-4 Mid Flex Reviews

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Mail subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Tue February 24, 2009 4:17 pm • # 1
Newbie Joined: 02/23/09 Posts: ix	Has anyone had the opportunity to cast the vi ft Ion? Whatsoever info or impressions would be great!
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keebranch	Post subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Tue February 24, 2009 4:51 pm • # 2
Administrator Joined: xi/17/08 Posts: 5497	Welcome to Ultralight Fly fishers Fingernail! I cannot say I accept tried the Ion nor id I know about it. I need to inquire my local Orvis shop almost this 1. perhaps someone else will come along who has wiggled or tried it. Les
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jkurtz7	Postal service subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 five:19 pm • # 3
Administrator Joined: eleven/17/08 Posts: 4828	Welcome to the UL forums. I would like to go my hands on ane to test and possibly review, that may be something to effort and do in the future. These rods are merely priced so high that many of us can't afford them. With the flex rating that Orvis lists for them, they may non be a truthful 2wt and may demand a 3wt to load. J.
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flyflingerandy1	Post subject area: Orvis Ion Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 half-dozen:06 pm • # 4
Hero Member Joined: 12/22/11 Posts: 1602	Reportedly, the Helios Ion will throw a DT1-DT4F line, meaning, of course, it is at least a 3wt or so.
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jdub	Mail service subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:42 pm • # five
Administrator Joined: 11/18/08 Posts: 3185 Location: Texas	Whatsoever chance you tin try ane out at an Orvis dealer? Sounds similar no 1 here has tried one and so you'll just go some guesses as to what the rod will be like. I have a i wt Superfine five.5 flex that I consider to be medium action so a 7.5 only sounds like a normal medium/fast rod to me. A lot of guys here like to overline their rods to boring them down but in that location are a few of usa who, along with medium activity rods, also like a little faster rod and the tighter loops that come with it, so we don't mind a rod that doesn't flex fashion downward the blank. Information technology just depends on what you lot're looking for merely trying one would be best and a close second would be talking to someone who *has* cast one and can compare information technology to a rod that *y'all* are familiar with. Good luck! (and welcome!)
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jkurtz7	Post discipline: Orvis Ion Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:x pm • # half-dozen
Administrator Joined: xi/17/08 Posts: 4828	Chances are slim to none that my local Orvis dealer will have one of these on the rod rack. I'm have to call though and see. I am interested in the rod, but volition never as long as I alive pay that much for a rod. J.
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jdub	Post subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:thirty pm • # seven
Administrator Joined: 11/eighteen/08 Posts: 3185 Location: Texas	I'll check out the shop in Dallas next time I'm downward that manner. But I agree J, it's difficult to fifty-fifty try to justify the price of a rod similar this when there are and then many amazing deals on UL rods in our ain classifieds.
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fingernail	Mail subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Wed February 25, 2009 5:21 am • # viii
Newbie Joined: 02/23/09 Posts: 9	Thanks guys, I don't like the toll, but equally we movement forward to the next latest and greatest, I'yard sure these rods will dive in cost, I saw this with the T3, I similar the thought of the 4pc 6ft rod and they look pretty sharpe, great for the minor streams here in Maine, but your correct the toll is actually loftier, I could get two cane rods for that price!! But at the that size and line weight I think graphite is the way to go.
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jkurtz7	Post subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:29 am • # 9
Administrator Joined: 11/17/08 Posts: 4828	I concord, the rod is very highly-seasoned, both in looks and ultimate portability, perfect for conveying in a 24-hour interval pack while your hiking into remote small streams. Your correct also, these rods will come up down in price when Orvis comes out with another flagship product. I'd really like to get my easily on one, but I think that it will be similar pulling teeth at the local Orvis shop to get 1 of these in since they don't cater to UL fishing. J.
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flyflingerandy1	Post subject field: Orvis Ion Posted: Wednesday February 25, 2009 half dozen:07 am • # 10
Hero Member Joined: 12/22/eleven Posts: 1602	jkurtz7 wrote: I hold, the rod is very appealing, both in looks and ultimate portability, perfect for carrying in a mean solar day pack while your hiking into remote pocket-size streams. Your right too, these rods will come up downward in toll when Orvis comes out with some other flagship product. I'd actually like to get my hands on ane, but I think that it will be like pulling teeth at the local Orvis store to get 1 of these in since they don't cater to UL angling. J. These rods won't come down, they will be clearanced out when they don't sell like they hope an $800 rod line volition.
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jds	Post subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Midweek Feb 25, 2009 5:57 pm • # 11
Full Member Joined: 11/27/08 Posts: 192	The local Orvis dealer Fly Store has the 602-4 Ion in stock, but i haven't been able to cast it nevertheless. It seemed kind of stiff when i wiggled it, but Helios are kind of a different breed of rod from my experience. I've got a 905-iv Mid 6.5 Helios, and information technology feels a little strong on the wiggle. A friend of mine said its ERN was actually vi.62. I don't know that much about the CCS, but I utilise a actually cheap (walmart) 5 wt line on the Helios and information technology loads easily whether i'thou casting 15' or 65'+. All of this with minimal casting effort and (all false modesty aside) i'yard truly a terrible caster. I was skeptical of the Helios hype, but i found a bargain on a secondhand rod and i love it. Information technology has cast anything i have tried to throw with it and bandage information technology well, from tiny stuff to big frog and mice bass bugs. it is low-cal to the manus, similar a ii or iii wt and very sensitive. if the 602-iv can really cast a 2wt line, i'd relieve upward and get one for my all around rod. i'm reserving sentence until i tin can cast one though. btw J, if this is too much info on a non-UL rod, lmk and i'll delete the post.
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jkurtz7	Post subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:24 pm • # 12
Administrator Joined: 11/17/08 Posts: 4828	jds wrote: btw J, if this is too much info on a not-UL rod, lmk and i'll delete the mail service. Your okay, you were simply letting everyone know about the Helios line in general. The Helios rods tend to be stiff overall, even the ones rated below 7.5. J.
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flyflingerandy1	Post field of study: Orvis Ion Posted: Midweek February 25, 2009 7:27 pm • # xiii
Hero Member Joined: 12/22/xi Posts: 1602	I got to wiggle the 6'6" 3wt Superfine Trout Bum the other mean solar day and honestly, I miss the old Superfines. I found this new ane to be a tomato stake. Information technology had every bit much flex as the TiCr X that I cast a few months ago. Their thermoplastic resins stiffen the blank beyond comfort IMO.
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keebranch	Postal service subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Wed February 25, 2009 8:30 pm • # 14
Administrator Joined: 11/17/08 Posts: 5497	No worries JDS-you're OK. we're about UL mainly but other weights will drift into the discussion occasionally - especially when describing the CCS. Les
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jdub	Post subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Wednesday Feb 25, 2009 8:39 pm • # 15
Administrator Joined: eleven/eighteen/08 Posts: 3185 Location: Texas	Hmmm... the 6'half dozen" three wt is a full flex 3.five and my 7'6" 1 wt is a full flex v.5, and the 3 wt is a tomato pale? Yous must grow actually small tomatoes up in that location Andy ;-)
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flyflingerandy1	Mail bailiwick: Orvis Ion Posted: Wed February 25, 2009 9:xix pm • # 16
Hero Member Joined: 12/22/eleven Posts: 1602	It didn't jerk as freely every bit the old unsanded blank rods did. Information technology is depressing.
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dpenrod	Post subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 v:12 am • # 17
Full Member Joined: 01/18/09 Posts: 119	i agree with andy'southward cess of the new superfines. the new 3wt. andy describes does seem stiffer to me than the old superfine trout bum i had. yes had, am still kicking myself for selling that one. don't know if the 3wt. is a "tomato plant pale", but it is definitely faster than i expected.
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jkurtz7	Post subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 v:38 am • # 18
Administrator Joined: 11/17/08 Posts: 4828	Quite frankly, the erstwhile unsanded Superfines were some of the best graphite rods e'er made. Orvis was wrong to let them go. Mayhap they weren't selling many anymore, but you really can't amend such a archetype line of rods. J.
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jdub	Post discipline: Orvis Ion Posted: Thu February 26, 2009 6:55 am • # 19
Administrator Joined: 11/18/08 Posts: 3185 Location: Texas	No denying the new ones are faster and the former ones take a cult following. It'south just amusing to hear a rod being described as a tomato stake when it easily flexes half-way downwardly the blank under normal casting. :-) Please notation that I said the newer ones are "faster" than the old--I didn't say they were "fast". Go jerk a TXL side by side to a Superfine ;-) And I'1000 certainly non maxim that the new Superfines are in any way better than the old ones because I never had a chance to cast an one-time 1 and I don't doubt what you guys are maxim about it. I'm just maxim the new ones are non fast rods by whatsoever definition of "fast" that I've seen. I'm on my mode out the door to fish my Superfine right now (Daingerfield, Les). Have a skilful i! Jerry
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flyflingerandy1	Mail subject: Orvis Ion Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:28 am • # 20
Hero Fellow member Joined: 12/22/xi Posts: 1602	Enjoy! I just don't like new technology at all.
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